MovIt Carbon Silicon Carbide Rotors as PCCB Replacement?

[Trackrat]

I have been working with MovIt for eight months now on a PCCB replacement brake system for my Boxster Spyder and GT3RS/GT2RS. 2RS and 3RS share identical rotors/hats/calipers/pads. The OE PCCB rotors as most of you know will die an expensive death when vigorously tracked more than 10-15 times.

The Spyder system (calipers/braided lines/rotors) was installed in December and so far with street driving has been rock solid. The GT3RS system development has dragged on interminably but as a stop-gap MovIt provided me with a set of GenII CSC rotors to expiriment with and hammer on.

I installed the MovIt rotors on the 2RS and this week was able to put two track days on them and I showed no mercy when braking. Compared to OE PCCB, the pedal was rock solid even under the most severe braking conditions (repeated high speed threshold braking). Modulation with the MovIt's was much improved vs the PCCB.

The nice thing is they bite well when cold or hot. P50 Greens are dangerous to run on the street and take 2-3 laps to warm up and bite well. OE P40's on a OE system are a bit hard to modulate when cold and I can make them fade a bit when very hot.

The MovIt CSC's had consistent bite hot or cold.

While two days is not much, it was a 620hp car and the MovIt's so far look look pristine. Weight difference vs PCCB is .7lb greater per rotor, or + 2.79 lbs for all four. A weight trade-off I am more than happy to make for rotors that have a claimed lifetime of essentially forever.

I will update this thread as my testing progresses. So far, I am very happy with them. In the USA MovIt brakes are distributed by Tom Frederico email:Tom@TFEnt.com

As I understand it, rotor replacements are available now but the full system for GT3 is still in development. Billet calipers will eliminate the bevel pad wear we all know an hate and also result in a firmer pedal under severe conditions.

MovIt main website: http://www.movitbrakes.com/en/produkte/keramikbremsen/

[bman]

Subscribed! Thanks for the write up.

What type of pad are you running?

[TRAKCAR]

+1 Please keep posting!!

Thank you so much for being the tester.

Bman, nice meeting you at VIR!

The oem steel rotors are $550.00 front and $500.00 rear. Lasting 20 days max.
Pagid pads are $750.00. Lasting 10 days max.

I will try some diffrent pads/steel in the meanwhile and start a seperate thread to accurately compare running cost VS quality of brake feel. Even some crazy expensive brake pads from Endless if I can get them.

PCCB users have different math and it will pay off even sooner for them, but I am very interested as well and as you keep posting we will learn how quickly the Movit brake system will pay off in saved pads and rotors, as well as the labour saved.

[Trackrat]

Originally Posted by bman

Subscribed! Thanks for the write up.

What type of pad are you running?

When using just OE replacement rotors (not calipers or oversize kits) then MovIt suggests the OE P40 pads. I will do a tear down tomorrow and will update the thread with pad wear characteristics.

Originally Posted by TRAKCAR

+1 Please keep posting!!

Thank you so much for being the tester.

PCCB users have different math and it will pay off even sooner for them, but I am very interested as well and as you keep posting we will learn how quickly the Movit brake system will pay off in saved pads and rotors, as well as the labour saved.

You got it Peter. Yes, the value proposition for the MovIt system involves some big number$ so is a bit of a challenge to wrap your head around, but boils down to:

Lifetime rotors, or even transfer to your next car (!).
Reduced pad wear (we shall see).
Preserving reduced rotating mass/lowered unsprung weight.
When billet caliper is installed no more pad flipping/beveled pads (we shall see).
Greatly improved pedal feel, increased ability to modulate.

[TRAKCAR]

Hopefully the pads last better too. No more rotors! A thou here, a thou there and pretty soon you're talking real money ;-)

[PJS]

subscribed - you are my test bed
thank you for sticking your neck out and posting about it

[stujelly]

I am on board with this too, as I was just getting ready to purchase the OEM steel replacements for my 3RS.

Cant wait to hear more.

[Trackrat]

I swapped the rotors and pads from the 2RS to the 3RS today. Front pads are wearing beveled on leading edge but I expected that as MovIt has not yet supplied me with the calipers which should eliminate this.

Rear pads looked really good, no bevel and even wear side to side which does surprise me as I know PSM was working a lot.

The rotors looked pristine and like new. The original crosshatch pattern is still on them, and trust me when I tell you I hammered them with no mercy.

Pads, the OE P40's, looked about as always. So my initial impression of using rotors only, as an OE replacement, in the stock sizing, appears as though it might make sense. Three more days to hammer them again on the 3RS at a PCA event Fri/Sat/Sun. Will report back.

[landjet]

It will be interesting to see if the claims made in the PDF prove true. Do these fit the stock GT3 6 piston calipers? If you don't mind me asking, what do these rotors cost per corner?

[Trackrat]

Originally Posted by landjet

It will be interesting to see if the claims made in the PDF prove true. Do these fit the stock GT3 6 piston calipers? If you don't mind me asking, what do these rotors cost per corner?

Hi Landjet- I agree as to validity of the claims and I will update this thread as real -life experience plays out. So far...so good. My direct replacement rotor solution only required me to swap out the hats which is tedious but not hard. I think MovIt offers a hat and rotor solution but of course you have to pay for that.

So far the difference in modulation and pedal feel are all for the good. More data on wear next week

I have to refer any pricing questions to your local distributor (Tom Frederico in USA).

[Trackrat]

Originally Posted by TRAKCAR

Hopefully the pads last better too. No more rotors! A thou here, a thou there and pretty soon you're talking real money ;-)

So far front pad wear appears same as always, rear pad wear is much improved. But this is only with rotor change and not calipers and MovIt specific pads.

Originally Posted by PJS

subscribed - you are my test bed
thank you for sticking your neck out and posting about it

You are welcome! Lol...let me tell you my neck has some gashes on it! Whew.

Originally Posted by stujelly

I am on board with this too, as I was just getting ready to purchase the OEM steel replacements for my 3RS.

Cant wait to hear more.

Stay tuned...

[TRAKCAR]

So, do they make the rotors just for the front that we could plop on the car witrh the staal calipers?

[NickW]

Can I assume these fit the 997 GT2 also?

[Izzone]

Originally Posted by TRAKCAR

So, do they make the rotors just for the front that we could plop on the car witrh the staal calipers?

I like where u are going

Endless makes pccb specific pads, wonder if they work with this

[Trackrat]

In the USA, Tom Frederico would be able to best advise on specific fitment but I know of no reason it wouldn't work?

Forewarned! A "lifetime" rotor is not cheap! And MovIt is right now taking forever to fill orders. Be prepared for a long delay and be happily surprised if not.