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Old 06-08-2011, 09:50 PM
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In my experience, T12 at Mid Ohio is indeed tricky if you hold the brake as you approach the apex. As you describe, the track flatens and falls away but has positive camber on the approach. Keeping the front end loaded with the track falling away equals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLXIyiCfTmo
Wow, what a fun looking track with some challenging turns and lots of elevation change. Too bad it's so far from CA!

IMHO the guy lost it primarily because of the brow he was going with too much steering lock on. To make matters worse he seemed to apply the brakes as well.

I was taught to momentarily straighten the steering when going over brows in a turn. It unloads the tires for a moment until the car settles again on the other side of the brow. It's the short version of making it a double apex.

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Old 06-09-2011, 08:07 AM
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the big bump in the middle of the apex. That tends to separate ribs if you're not careful..

I can get some on kart footage and post it if you want.
I know what you mean! It's pretty nasty in a car and can only imagine how rough it must be in a kart.

Yes, please! I'd like to watch.

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Wow, what a fun looking track with some challenging turns and lots of elevation change.

I was taught to momentarily straighten the steering when going over brows in a turn. It unloads the tires for a moment until the car settles again on the other side of the brow.
It's a blast to drive! I would strongly recommend it for any track junkie. It's also, IMO, a track that will test your braking skills. It requires several techniques; if you want to be quick

Check out the turn before the spin, turn 11. It's exactly the type of turn where you need to open the wheel as you crest a "brow". It's awesome!

I've only been to Mid Ohio twice, most recently last month. It's such a unique and fun track that on my 7 1/2 hour drive home, which is normally a drag, I found myself smiling, seemingly for hours, as I reflected on the weekend. I can't recall ever doing that before
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:22 AM
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The Boxster spins because he/she is braking too hard with too much steering input - too much traction on the front, while the rear has hardly any weight on it. Look at the attitude of the car as it begins to enter the corner - it looks to me the driver thought they were carrying too much speed into the corner, and tried to fix the situation with progressive braking - adding more pressure as they continued to turn the wheel - look at how fast the car with the camera in it catches up to the quickly, and progressively slowing Boxster. Unfortunately the back end also gets light because of the slight crest in the middle of the turn - this exacerbates the situation. but the spin actually begins before the elevation change.

IMHO, one needs to use very different braking techniques for each kind of corner... if you're trying to threshold brake at each corner, no matter it's configuration, then you're using your brakes too much, and probably over-slowing the car in many instances.
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