DE, Why Bother?

[TRAKCAR]

No, it's relaxed.

You see me shift? you shift faster om your way to the supermarket :-)

[jenk12m]

not racing but still fun. getting the free beer from someone else is our 10$ trophy

[TRAKCAR]

When he says getting, he means stealing.

Mike, aren't you supposed to be busy handing your Amex number to a guy in Philly for a 4.0?
Its 1:58PM.. Tic toc..

[jenk12m]

haha, i have time before i make it back to sebring next year to get a 4.0. im sure there will be one for sale by mooty by then

[TRAKCAR]

Reter got dibs on that one.

[jenk12m]

you dont need it. im slow i need all the help i can get

[mdrums]

For me I'd like to race someday...but if I don't....oh well I guess. I've raced before....Offshore Powerboats with APBA and I loved the competition. Again like all you racers I was just racing for trophies for the most part but we did have a purse and small purse.

I love doing DE's just for the fun of it and the friends I've made along the way. I know my personality and If I ever got into racing I would naturally make it expensive for myself.

Plus honestly I don't have the money to turn my 2009 Porsche into a race car and an older lower cost Porsche with Tip Tronic would never ever be competitive.

[NeoMatrix]

Trackrat, you reached the nub of the DE-Racing issue with your points.

I never progressed to racing after DE and instructing because I too reached the same realization as Dell, and he put it quite simply:

Originally Posted by Dell

I have a new outlook on DE's. Going to a DE is almost like going on vacation where racing is like going to work. The stress level at the DE is almost non existent. The money spent is just a fraction of a race weekend. I have learned how to give point-by's.

When I get back in the game soon, I will also take Dell's insight and run with it. When I modded my old 944 Turbo for the track (upgrading to track tires, big reds, increased boost, added a cage and seats...) I seemed to be riding on an asymptotic, going for smaller and smaller improvements in time, and increasing costs (and stress) exponentially. Same goes for racing, you will no doubt learn new things, but at what price?

Good luck with whatever you end up doing.
Wes

[FTS]

Hugh I agree with your point for sure. As it is mentioned already, once in racing or time trial competition, I found out that it gets exponentially more costly to keep up with the faster crowd. In the DE environment, mostly bench racing, I find it much easier to keep up with them

[hughp3]

Yep my bench goes faster than anybody, especially with all the stickers!

[mdrums]

I have raced before (offshore boats) an I loved the competition and I miss that with DE....but on the other hand I love the camaraderie and friends I have at my DE's and I enjoy instructing and making DE's fun for new students.
I can't afford a race car so I enjoy taking my street car to the track and going as fast as I can go with no worries of getting a ticket.

[Leigh2]

I raced years ago, quit (young kids, business), then got into DE's and instructing and had a great time for many years. Made the jump back into racing a couple of years ago...and have now bought another 6GT3 so that I can get back into doing more DE's. I think they are very different activities with racing, and the full race car, being far more intense. It is very expensive and time consuming and just about becomes a second career. I'm looking forward to getting back into some DE's that are far more social and relaxing in addition to racing.

[mooty]

Originally Posted by Leigh2

I raced years ago, quit (young kids, business), then got into DE's and instructing and had a great time for many years. Made the jump back into racing a couple of years ago...and have now bought another 6GT3 so that I can get back into doing more DE's. I think they are very different activities with racing, and the full race car, being far more intense. It is very expensive and time consuming and just about becomes a second career. I'm looking forward to getting back into some DE's that are far more social and relaxing in addition to racing.

i DE'd for many years.
started racing in 09. great fun, lots of work.
now young kids and more work... may even have to quit racing, aghast....

i like both DE and racing for different reason. DE you can hang out with friends and chew fat. racing, you are all business and just want to set lap times.

[AllanJ]

I don't race my GT3 because of the cost (ok - and lack of skills), but I really love high performance driving. I suppose if I raced a cheap car like a Honda or something, my annual cost might even be less than DE-ing my GT3, but I think the GT3 has spoiled me performance-wise. Not sure if I would really enjoy driving a slow, cheap car around the track. A friend tried it with a Toyota Sports Racer and he only lasted a few races before dumping it for a GT3 Cup car.

A regular DE like what I was at last week reminded me of what I don't like about the local track/groups and that is the fixed passing zones. I was a fair bit faster than much of the field (just some guys with their regular street cars) and I was constantly slowing down to a cool-down lap pace from turn 3 all the way through turn 6 for the next passing zone where I'd hope the guy in front checked his mirror and gave me a point. If there were 2 or more cars then I'd be waiting a lot longer. Ugh.

At my fav DE days at ORP with a bunch of friends, we pass anywhere with a point and the guys are fantastic about watching their mirrors (me included - esp when PJ is behind me!). Right rules - right group. If every DE was like that I probably wouldn't even think about racing.

Next year I might take the local race car driving school to get my novice racing license. Then rent a Honda from a guy I know and give it a shot. $500/day with full support is less than my GT3 DE costs so I may as well try it out.

We'll see what happens.

[FTS]

I supposed the "local track/groups" are not PCA since they did not have open passing? Most clubs on the east coast nowadays, allow open passing in black/red type groups, which adds a lot of excitement and enjoyment IMO.