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Re: How Different Is Driving a Cup Car?
Moving from modern street GT3 to 996 Cup is relatively easy transition. The lower weight of the Cup is offset by less HP (370-390 vs 435-450) so absolute speed difference is not that great. 996 Cups have standard manual transmission and ABS providing a level of forgiveness not found in 997 Cup.
What you notice initially: noise and immediacy of controls creates much higher sensory load. Suspension is considerably stiffer which translates to much less vertical motion. Assuming you're running slicks, slip angles are lower and threshold between sliding and breakaway is much narrower. Cornering limits/speeds are ultimately higher...once you get there. Major difference between learning to drive it and learning to drive it fast. Can't speak to the latter. Re: 997 Cup, can only speak from the right-hand seat, but the big difference is the sequential box, which ratchets the intensity level up a healthy couple of notches. Lack of ABS demands higher level of braking skill...so I'm told. And it's a healthy chunk faster.
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2010 GT3 RS 2000 GT3 Cup Last edited by CWS; 05-14-2011 at 09:53 PM. |
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Re: How Different Is Driving a Cup Car?
Send me and I promise to post a detailed report!
http://www.porschedriving.com/Porsch...--GT3-Cup.aspx |
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Re: How Different Is Driving a Cup Car?
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Agree with all comments: going from MPSC or Hoosiers to real slicks requires far better car control skills and some adjustment (i.e. seat time) to truly put a cup on the limit. Once you getting heat in the slicks, which requires pretty aggressive driving (imho, and particularly getting heat in the fronts), you will be amazed how incredible the car grips. And going back to a street car from a cup will truly expose all the limitations of even the most prepped street car for the track (nothing like weight reduction). A 7 cup takes longer to learn when coming from a 6 or 6 cup; no abs, adjustable brake bias, having excellent heel and toes with a sequential, and better aero on a 7 cup. That said, once you learn a sequential, you never want to go back...... |
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Re: How Different Is Driving a Cup Car?
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Re: How Different Is Driving a Cup Car?
Pete - thanks and congrats on the GT2RS (and write-up)!
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Current rides: 2011 997 GT3 RS; 2008 997 GT3 RSR w/4.0; 2005 996 GT3 RSR (former Petersen/White Lightning); 2005 996 GT3 Cup; 2005 Carrera GT; 1997 "Anti-spec" Boxster w/3.4; 1970 914-6 w/3.2 |
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When I had my GT3, I raced a 996 Cup at Summit Point (in 2005 on the old bumpy surface), mistakenly thinking that it would be very similar. I used to stuff my GT3 deep into turn 1, trail brake it towards the apex and then jump on the power. Back in the day, 1:21s were easy. The first time that I tried that with the Cup, when I got on the power it literally hopped up in the air and pointed itself directly at the apex, 90 degrees to the track! "I guess that we are not in Kansas any more Toto!" It took a different type of driving, much more reactive and correcting, to make that Cup go fast, but it did and I got it down to a 1:17. But it was enough to get me hooked, sell the GT3 and get an RSA setup just as stiff as a Cup. Now with a friend, I hope to be back in a 996 Cup (as shown) this season.
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Larry Herman 2002 GT3 Cup 2006 Boxster S 2006 Cayenne S National PCA Instructor Past Flames: 1994 RS America Club Racer 2004 GT3 Track Car 1984 911 Carrera Club Racer 1974 914/4 2.0 Track Car |
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